Speel De Grote Geschiedeniskwis.

[Zwendel]

http://www.radio1.be/hautekiet/de-grote-geschiedenisquiz

 

Uitslag 8,1 met 4 fouten.

 

 

Ik was mis bij vraag 2, 8, 12 (had ik moeten weten als ik wat langer nagedacht had) en 17).

 

[Waldorf]

Damn, 7,2 vind ik niet goed genoeg.

[Zwendel]

Er zitten zo wel wat instinkers in waar ik aan het twijfelen was en toch de juiste gekozen heb

 

 

 

Aantal Joden 10% of 1/3

Historici en interpretatie

Gelijkheid vrouwen. Egypte heb ik enkel omwille van Cleopatra en de andere vrouwelijke faraos gekozen

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[mig el pig]

8,5/10 3 Fouten:

 

 

 

- Strafbaarheid homoseksualiteit: In meeste landen was dit enkel strafbaar voor mannen. (Weimar republiek in Duitsland bv). Was er bij België vanuit gegaan dat dit ook zo was.

 

- Gelijkrechtigheid: Ben voor Fenicië gegaan aangezien vrouwen daar ook relatief veel vrijheid hadden. Het juiste antwoord was Egypte wat dan weer  voor discussie vatbaar is. Het probleem is dat het oude egypte gedurende een periode van iets meer dan 3000 jaar bestaan heeft.

 

- Industriële revolutie: onlangs op een ander forum iets over gepost maar elk van de 4 mogelijkheden is wel ergens fout imho

 

 

 

Mijn beperkte visie op de industriële revolutie.

 

 

 

In essence the story is quite simple. The way humans organize their society has only changed dramatically 3 times in the course of history.

The first time was the Agricultural revolution. When human society became sedentary our entire way of life changed. Power and Wealth resided with the landowners and whether they were babylonian priest/kings, Egyptian Pharaohs, Japanese shoguns or medieval Lords it didn't change much. Nearly every war between 5.000 BC and 15th/17th century was between landed nobility who owned land and one of the main goals was to conquer more land that could be cultivated.

This revolution would spawn many things:
- Money: The surplus of food allowed people to specialize in other professions for which they could get paid.
- The concept of an army: To muster an army you need a surplus of food and leadership.
- Philosophy: again wealth created by land owners allowed them to pursue other interests.
- Writing: to keep an inventory and make taxation possible.
- Mass Slavery: In pre-agricultural societies a male prisoner is rather useless. It's another mouth to feed but you can't leave him alone with the women and you can't take him with you on the hunt.

The Industrial revolution changed all of this. It was no longer land which determined Wealth and Power but production and the means of production which led to the rise of a new force in society. We still use the terms of the landed nobility to describe them (Steel and Coal barons) but they fundamentally changed the way we live. Western Europe was the birth place of this revolution and it changed the balance of powers in such an extreme way that Western Europe, and later on the USA, dominated the world. A prime example of this would be the French, Dutch, English and Spanish fighting each other in America and Asia. Disease and other Europeans where often a bigger problem then the local inhabitants. the list of countries that weren't completely conquered by European nations is surprisingly short (China, Japan, Afghanistan and Turkey).

The Steam engine is a prime example but even the 15th century printing press is a precursor of this mass-production. Where before a single highly trained individual (in Europe often monks) had to work 1 day to copy 4/5 pages of a book we now had a machine who could copy nearly 4000 pages in 1 day. This changed everything.

Mass production, Industrial powers became the defining way to create wealth and this would rapidly change the way we fought wars. It would lead to conflict in countries when the political power from the landed aristocracy was challenged by those who had become wealthy without owning large tracts of land. The French revolution is a prime example. The Levee en Masse called upon the "free" citizens of the state to fight instead of previous wars where royalty or nobility called upon their subjects to take arms. Suddenly the French State could field an army of 800.000 to 1.000.000 men, supported by an entire country. New means of productions could produce enough weaponry, clothes and tools to equip such a force. This is 3 to 4 times the army France could field 80 years earlier ( War of the Spanishc Succession). A mere 120 years later France would call upon 8.000.000 men during the first World War. Together with the 2nd World War a perfect example of how Mass production and in the end, mass destruction in the form of the atomic bomb, would define our society.

What was supposed to be a short post turned out quite a bit longer then expected.

(btw the 3rd time it changed was in the USA during the '60 where information became they key to wealth. Look at modern day rich people like Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Page etc ... The transformation from 'dumb' technology to 'smart' technology but this is a topic for another time)

 

[Hamirubi]

Leuk voor quizjes, maar ik weet niet of dit veel met historisch inzicht te maken heeft. Toch?

[Gast Kameraad Mauser]

 

8,5/10 3 Fouten:

 

 

 

- Strafbaarheid homoseksualiteit: In meeste landen was dit enkel strafbaar voor mannen. (Weimar republiek in Duitsland bv). Was er bij België vanuit gegaan dat dit ook zo was.

 

- Gelijkrechtigheid: Ben voor Fenicië gegaan aangezien vrouwen daar ook relatief veel vrijheid hadden. Het juiste antwoord was Egypte wat dan weer  voor discussie vatbaar is. Het probleem is dat het oude egypte gedurende een periode van iets meer dan 3000 jaar bestaan heeft.

 

- Industriële revolutie: onlangs op een ander forum iets over gepost maar elk van de 4 mogelijkheden is wel ergens fout imho

 

 

 

Mijn beperkte visie op de industriële revolutie.

 

 

 

In essence the story is quite simple. The way humans organize their society has only changed dramatically 3 times in the course of history.

 

The first time was the Agricultural revolution. When human society became sedentary our entire way of life changed. Power and Wealth resided with the landowners and whether they were babylonian priest/kings, Egyptian Pharaohs, Japanese shoguns or medieval Lords it didn't change much. Nearly every war between 5.000 BC and 15th/17th century was between landed nobility who owned land and one of the main goals was to conquer more land that could be cultivated.

 

This revolution would spawn many things:

- Money: The surplus of food allowed people to specialize in other professions for which they could get paid.

- The concept of an army: To muster an army you need a surplus of food and leadership.

- Philosophy: again wealth created by land owners allowed them to pursue other interests.

- Writing: to keep an inventory and make taxation possible.

- Mass Slavery: In pre-agricultural societies a male prisoner is rather useless. It's another mouth to feed but you can't leave him alone with the women and you can't take him with you on the hunt.

 

The Industrial revolution changed all of this. It was no longer land which determined Wealth and Power but production and the means of production which led to the rise of a new force in society. We still use the terms of the landed nobility to describe them (Steel and Coal barons) but they fundamentally changed the way we live. Western Europe was the birth place of this revolution and it changed the balance of powers in such an extreme way that Western Europe, and later on the USA, dominated the world. A prime example of this would be the French, Dutch, English and Spanish fighting each other in America and Asia. Disease and other Europeans where often a bigger problem then the local inhabitants. the list of countries that weren't completely conquered by European nations is surprisingly short (China, Japan, Afghanistan and Turkey).

 

The Steam engine is a prime example but even the 15th century printing press is a precursor of this mass-production. Where before a single highly trained individual (in Europe often monks) had to work 1 day to copy 4/5 pages of a book we now had a machine who could copy nearly 4000 pages in 1 day. This changed everything.

 

Mass production, Industrial powers became the defining way to create wealth and this would rapidly change the way we fought wars. It would lead to conflict in countries when the political power from the landed aristocracy was challenged by those who had become wealthy without owning large tracts of land. The French revolution is a prime example. The Levee en Masse called upon the "free" citizens of the state to fight instead of previous wars where royalty or nobility called upon their subjects to take arms. Suddenly the French State could field an army of 800.000 to 1.000.000 men, supported by an entire country. New means of productions could produce enough weaponry, clothes and tools to equip such a force. This is 3 to 4 times the army France could field 80 years earlier ( War of the Spanishc Succession). A mere 120 years later France would call upon 8.000.000 men during the first World War. Together with the 2nd World War a perfect example of how Mass production and in the end, mass destruction in the form of the atomic bomb, would define our society.

 

What was supposed to be a short post turned out quite a bit longer then expected.

 

(btw the 3rd time it changed was in the USA during the '60 where information became they key to wealth. Look at modern day rich people like Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Page etc ... The transformation from 'dumb' technology to 'smart' technology but this is a topic for another time)

 

 

Ha, geen ruilhandel in uw versie. En dat klopt ook. Mensen zijn al heel gauw geld en kredietsystemen beginnen te gebruiken.

[Zwendel]

Leuk voor quizjes, maar ik weet niet of dit veel met historisch inzicht te maken heeft. Toch?

Ja die vragen zijn wel in die zin opgezet, maar uiteindelijk heeft het  toch veel met feitelijke kennis te maken (en hoeveel je erover gelezen hebt).

 

 

 

Het vrouwenstemrecht bijvoorbeeld vermoed ik dat velen zullen verkeerd hebben (alhoewel het tot de leerstof behoort).

Dat de situatie in 1302 niet zo duidelijk was als het in de populaire verhaaltjes omdat er van Vlaanderen zoals we dat nu kennen al helemaal geen sprake was ook.

Hedrik Conscience is ook pas later door de Vlaamse beweging gerecupereerd.

Van de strafbaarheid van homosexualiteit in Belgie had ik geen flauw benul, dat is iets wat door de eeuwen heen nogal wat veranderingen ondergaan heeft.

Dat van de voetbalploegen wist ik omdat ik het ontstaan van KV en RC Mechelen en Cercle en Club Brugge ken (maar iemand die geen voetbal volgt zal dat waarschijnlijk niet weten).

 

 

[Bonte]

5,3/10

 

Valt nog goed mee voor mij.

[retep]

7,2.....

[Zwendel]

7,2.....

Dat is verbazend goed voor een Nederlander. Een heleboel vragen waren toch specifiek Belgisch.

[retep]

_{Ik heb wel een belgische provincie als woonplek moeten uitkiezen.....}